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Interview: Stuart Pimm, University of Tennesee |
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Q: How would you convince a skeptic that
extinction rates are very high?
SP: There are people who believe that the
claims that people -- like Ed Wilson, and Paul Ehrlich, and Norma
Myers and myself -- have made about high extinction rates are
so many doomsday myths. To answer those people, all we need is
our own experience.
In the fossil record, we know that extinctions
have gone on for millions of years. The dinosaurs are no longer
here. But if we look at how often those historical geological
extinctions happened -- how frequently they happened -- they happened
at a rate that we can translate into very easy-to-understand terms.
There are about 10,000 species of birds
on the planet at the moment. If those species were going extinct
at a geological rate, we ought to see one extinction about every
100 years. In other words, it ought to be, at best, a one-in-a-lifetime
event. I have seen species that are now extinct -- several of
them -- extinctions that I have known and hated. It's not hard
to go around the world and say good-bye to about one or two or
three species per year. That very immediacy of those extinctions
-- of birds that we know very well -- tells us that the current
extinction crisis represents an extinction rate that must be at
least 100 times what it ought to be.
Q: Chief role of humans in causing extinctions.
SP: The ultimate cause of this greatly increased
extinction rate is us -- the fact that our population is so numerous,
and the fact that our technology is increasing at a rate that
we now have the capacity, for example, to chop down tropical forests
at an extraordinary rate. That first factor of habitat loss --
of destroying areas that are the only homes for millions of species
-- is one of our principal effects upon the biological heritage
of our planet. It's not the only cause, however. We also moved
a lot of species from where they should be to where they are now,
and these introduced species -- some of them are relatively benevolent.
A hundred years ago, public-spirited people
in New York wanted all the birds of Shakespeare in Central Park,
and we have house sparrows and starlings as a consequence -- but
some of species are devastating. I've had the experience of working
on the island of Guam -- in the Marianas south of Japan, north
of New Guinea. Guam has become Rachel Carson's nightmare of A
Silent Spring. Go into the forests of Guam and there are
no birds singing in the woods there. The cause in that particular
case was an introduced snake, called the brown tree snake, that
eliminated every last species of bird from the island or Guam.
It's a very depressing to be if you happen to like birds. That
carelessness, which is preventable, has cost us the lives of a
lot of interesting, and fascinating, and economically important
species.
Q: Any points raised worth your further deliberation?
SP: There's one idea that's so important,
that even if it's not new to me, I'd like to share with you.
That is the fact that in the Pacific alone, the body count that
comes from looking at how the Polynesians exterminated bird species
as they swept across the Pacific -- that total body count comes
to somewhere between 1 and 2,000 species of birds. That's 10
to 20% of all the world's birds. So we are already capable of
having an enormous impact. Even Stone Age cultures can have an
enormous impact on the planet. And that means that our technological
advanced cultures can have an even more devastating impact. That's
not new, but I think everybody who looks at the fossil record
-- the recent fossil record -- needs to understand that salient
feature.
Of the things that I heard at this meeting,
I think one of the interesting problems is the fact that paleontologists
sometimes seem puzzled by the fact that these species' extinctions
take a while to happen. You know, some species linger longer.
What does that tell us? Well, I think there are good reasons
to expect that some species will persist a long time before they
finally go, but there are obvious policy implications for that.
A lot of species that are now rare may be effectively doomed
to extinction unless we are able to do something very difficult
to keep them alive, to allow them to persist. Or maybe even,
in some cases, to restore the habitat, to restore the ecosystems
on which they depend, and so give them a viable future.
So what we see now may already have doomed
very, very large numbers of species, and that's with just the
five billion of us on the planet, not the 10 or even 20 billion
of us that there is going to be by the middle of next century.
Q: Some hope of stemming current tide of
extinction?
SP: Yes. I do believe there is hope. I
think we understand the nature of the problem -- both its magnitude
and its importance to us. I think increasingly we are becoming
aware of how valuable species are to us. They are valuable in
the simplest economic terms, as sources of medicines, sources
of genes for agricultural crops....
They are important as sources of medicines,
and genes for our agricultural crops. We also appreciate them.
We spend an enormous amount of money worldwide on ecotourism,
and they are important for ethical and religious reasons. A large
number of different religions, religious groups, over the last
few years have come out with very strong statements, indicating
that it is simply wrong -- it is a sin, if you like -- to drive
so many species to extinction.
But in addition to valuing species, we also
now have a good indication of where -- precisely where -- those
species are going to become extinct ... the hot spots of biological
richness. Once we've identified those, we do have a hope of protecting
them. It doesn't mean to say we have the money or the *willpower,
but, increasingly, we're having the scientific knowledge that
allows us to draw lines on maps -- a line in the sand, if you
like, metaphorically -- that says: If we lose these places, we're
going to lose a lot of the planet's biological heritage.
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